Additionally, I don't think that a man who spurred an insurrection against his own government promotes "peace and justice". You seem to have a very biased and misinformed opinion on these issues without actually examining the facts, which is what can happen when you read news from sources that only confirm those biases. Praying for your continued discernment on this issue so that you can make a more informed decision come election time.
You're shilling the narrative of "inciting insurrection." Please show me the evidence. In fact, address all the evidence to the contrary of notable influencers of the state department and hours of tapes that suggest the same.
Credible news sources such as Reuters cite that Trump's FBI (under his administration) admit that Trump supporters did not coordinate the attack on the capitol before he told them to "fight like hell" and "we're going to the capitol", among others: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ . Therefore, this was not pre-planned, but caused by a catalyst that day, at that rally, led by Trump. Additionally, this was done after Trump's own Homeland Security officials stated that the 2020 election was the most secure election in history. Trump spread lies about losing the election because he was unhappy with the result. He told his supporters to fight and go to the capital. They did and 5 people were killed. I'm not sure what "hour of tapes" you're referring to, but it sounds like you're getting into conspiracy theory territory. From tapes I've seen, Trump supporters stormed the capital because he told them to, therefore inciting insurrection. Can you give me credible (non-super far right wing, biased/not Facebook/not Twitter) sources to support the contrary?
I find your point about religious freedom to be a bit ironic and hypocritical. You can't advocate for religious freedom, but only when it applies to your religion. For example, Judaism permits abortions when the mental or physical health of the woman is in danger, while Catholicism doesn't seem care much about what happens to the woman, as long as the baby is born some way or another (but, in my experience, they then often fail to care about/help the baby afterwards, especially if the baby grows up to be gay or anything else that seems undesirable to them). Completely outlawing abortion would not allow Jews to follow their religion's teachings on abortion, because your religion's beliefs would trump theirs. Wouldn't forcing everyone who isn't Christian to conform to these beliefs inherently take away religious freedom from anyone who isn't Christian? Your opinion seems very skewed and biased just because this would benefit you and adhere to YOUR beliefs. However, this isn't freedom for anyone who doesn't.
Thanks for your reply. Of course, we need to distinguish between those values that are inherent per the dignity of the human person, regardless of religion, and those which may happen to be held by whatever religion. The Constitution in the 5th and 14th Amendments clearly acknowledges a hierarchy of life, without which we have no liberty
nor pursuit of happiness. Arguably, with modern technology, basic logic and science, all that is present for a distinct human person exists at conception. That is not a matter of faith. It's a matter of science. In fact, if we acknowledge DNA screening to convict a criminal no one has met, to determine his/her personhood, we ought to respect the very same procedure or process as determinative of the personhood of an unborn child.
But why do Catholics put the life of an unborn fetus before the life of the woman in every circumstance? With respect, I genuinely don't believe it's compassionate to force a 10 year old girl who has experienced horrific sexual violence to go through child birth (which will likely put her life in grave danger, if not kill her). It just feels easy to step aside and say "well, I'll never have to face that problem, so who cares about her?" I'm a woman and if I was put in that circumstance, I would genuinely want to kill myself, and I'm sure others feel the same. Does my life matter, or just the life of the fetus? If you criminalize abortion nation-wide, will women be punished and thrown into jail everytime they have a miscarriage? This has happened multiple times in other countries where abortion has been outlawed. I think banning abortion may sound good in theory, but there are significant issues involved when trying to ban it under every circumstance nation wide. Wouldn't women be less likely to get abortions if they had affordable health care, if the adoption systems were less rife with abuse, if they had longer maternity leave and better welfare, etc.? Why not address and try to fix those problems first, which would naturally decrease the abortion rate? Why try to ban abortion without trying to address any of the issues that contribute to it?
Set aside "Catholic," the fundamental principle is one of intrinsic dignity and human value which exists in a hierarchy. Life proceeds Liberty and pursuit of happiness, which is honored every time somebody stops at a stop sign. Or any other law. Disregard that hierarchy for anyone instance, and as good philosophers have observed, and laws of other regimes have demonstrated, we see an erosion of such respect at all other levels.
In rhetorical form, why should a child be executed for the crime of his father? How do we not see throughout the structure of laws significant self-denial in interest of preserving the lives of others?
In no way ought one pretend that such is easy, but intrinsic to all this is also arms open wide of people at the most proximate level to love, care for, encourage, and nurture out of respect for human life regardless of the law.
You raise some other questions that I think are best answered perhaps verbally or on our radio program.
Your inability to answer any of my previously posed questions speaks volumes about the lack of validity/logic behind your arguments and the fact that you use cognitive dissonance to try and square your so-called Christian beliefs with idolizing a convicted felon who brags about sexually abusing women. Just because you're convinced of something doesn't mean you're correct. I go off of logic instead of feelings. Regardless, I'm glad to know that my vote for Harris will cancel out your vote for Trump.
But this raises another question. If you were to outlaw abortion under every circumstance, you would, inevitably, be faced with occasional scenarios where you would HAVE to choose between the life of the mother or the life of the fetus. If there was a preserved fetus in a jar and a living woman in a house, and that house caught on fire and you could only save one, which would you choose? I, and majority of other people, would choose the living woman who already has emotions, thoughts, relationships, consciousness, and has already been born. That's because we recognize that there is a difference between a fetus and a person who has already been born. Respectfully, I'm uneasy that you (a man who cannot give birth and would never be put in these scenarios) think that one of the reasons abortion should be outlawed in EVERY instance is because the woman should always practice self-denial. Does this sound good in theory? Yes. But, if you were a ten year old girl who had been subject to horrific sexual abuse and forced to give birth (one of the most painful things a woman, or in this case, a GIRL, can go through), at the risk of your own life, would you really choose this because a man thought it would be a nice thing to do for the purpose of "self-denial"? The UN defines forced childbirth (especially for CHILDREN) as a form of torture, and rape/forced impregnation/forced childbirth has often been used to levy violence against women during war. Is this REALLY a world you want to create/live in? I'm genuinely having trouble seeing how this is compassionate. As a woman, that is not a world I want to live in.
Additionally, I don't think that a man who spurred an insurrection against his own government promotes "peace and justice". You seem to have a very biased and misinformed opinion on these issues without actually examining the facts, which is what can happen when you read news from sources that only confirm those biases. Praying for your continued discernment on this issue so that you can make a more informed decision come election time.
You're shilling the narrative of "inciting insurrection." Please show me the evidence. In fact, address all the evidence to the contrary of notable influencers of the state department and hours of tapes that suggest the same.
Credible news sources such as Reuters cite that Trump's FBI (under his administration) admit that Trump supporters did not coordinate the attack on the capitol before he told them to "fight like hell" and "we're going to the capitol", among others: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/ . Therefore, this was not pre-planned, but caused by a catalyst that day, at that rally, led by Trump. Additionally, this was done after Trump's own Homeland Security officials stated that the 2020 election was the most secure election in history. Trump spread lies about losing the election because he was unhappy with the result. He told his supporters to fight and go to the capital. They did and 5 people were killed. I'm not sure what "hour of tapes" you're referring to, but it sounds like you're getting into conspiracy theory territory. From tapes I've seen, Trump supporters stormed the capital because he told them to, therefore inciting insurrection. Can you give me credible (non-super far right wing, biased/not Facebook/not Twitter) sources to support the contrary?
I find your point about religious freedom to be a bit ironic and hypocritical. You can't advocate for religious freedom, but only when it applies to your religion. For example, Judaism permits abortions when the mental or physical health of the woman is in danger, while Catholicism doesn't seem care much about what happens to the woman, as long as the baby is born some way or another (but, in my experience, they then often fail to care about/help the baby afterwards, especially if the baby grows up to be gay or anything else that seems undesirable to them). Completely outlawing abortion would not allow Jews to follow their religion's teachings on abortion, because your religion's beliefs would trump theirs. Wouldn't forcing everyone who isn't Christian to conform to these beliefs inherently take away religious freedom from anyone who isn't Christian? Your opinion seems very skewed and biased just because this would benefit you and adhere to YOUR beliefs. However, this isn't freedom for anyone who doesn't.
Thanks for your reply. Of course, we need to distinguish between those values that are inherent per the dignity of the human person, regardless of religion, and those which may happen to be held by whatever religion. The Constitution in the 5th and 14th Amendments clearly acknowledges a hierarchy of life, without which we have no liberty
nor pursuit of happiness. Arguably, with modern technology, basic logic and science, all that is present for a distinct human person exists at conception. That is not a matter of faith. It's a matter of science. In fact, if we acknowledge DNA screening to convict a criminal no one has met, to determine his/her personhood, we ought to respect the very same procedure or process as determinative of the personhood of an unborn child.
But why do Catholics put the life of an unborn fetus before the life of the woman in every circumstance? With respect, I genuinely don't believe it's compassionate to force a 10 year old girl who has experienced horrific sexual violence to go through child birth (which will likely put her life in grave danger, if not kill her). It just feels easy to step aside and say "well, I'll never have to face that problem, so who cares about her?" I'm a woman and if I was put in that circumstance, I would genuinely want to kill myself, and I'm sure others feel the same. Does my life matter, or just the life of the fetus? If you criminalize abortion nation-wide, will women be punished and thrown into jail everytime they have a miscarriage? This has happened multiple times in other countries where abortion has been outlawed. I think banning abortion may sound good in theory, but there are significant issues involved when trying to ban it under every circumstance nation wide. Wouldn't women be less likely to get abortions if they had affordable health care, if the adoption systems were less rife with abuse, if they had longer maternity leave and better welfare, etc.? Why not address and try to fix those problems first, which would naturally decrease the abortion rate? Why try to ban abortion without trying to address any of the issues that contribute to it?
Set aside "Catholic," the fundamental principle is one of intrinsic dignity and human value which exists in a hierarchy. Life proceeds Liberty and pursuit of happiness, which is honored every time somebody stops at a stop sign. Or any other law. Disregard that hierarchy for anyone instance, and as good philosophers have observed, and laws of other regimes have demonstrated, we see an erosion of such respect at all other levels.
In rhetorical form, why should a child be executed for the crime of his father? How do we not see throughout the structure of laws significant self-denial in interest of preserving the lives of others?
In no way ought one pretend that such is easy, but intrinsic to all this is also arms open wide of people at the most proximate level to love, care for, encourage, and nurture out of respect for human life regardless of the law.
You raise some other questions that I think are best answered perhaps verbally or on our radio program.
Your inability to answer any of my previously posed questions speaks volumes about the lack of validity/logic behind your arguments and the fact that you use cognitive dissonance to try and square your so-called Christian beliefs with idolizing a convicted felon who brags about sexually abusing women. Just because you're convinced of something doesn't mean you're correct. I go off of logic instead of feelings. Regardless, I'm glad to know that my vote for Harris will cancel out your vote for Trump.
But this raises another question. If you were to outlaw abortion under every circumstance, you would, inevitably, be faced with occasional scenarios where you would HAVE to choose between the life of the mother or the life of the fetus. If there was a preserved fetus in a jar and a living woman in a house, and that house caught on fire and you could only save one, which would you choose? I, and majority of other people, would choose the living woman who already has emotions, thoughts, relationships, consciousness, and has already been born. That's because we recognize that there is a difference between a fetus and a person who has already been born. Respectfully, I'm uneasy that you (a man who cannot give birth and would never be put in these scenarios) think that one of the reasons abortion should be outlawed in EVERY instance is because the woman should always practice self-denial. Does this sound good in theory? Yes. But, if you were a ten year old girl who had been subject to horrific sexual abuse and forced to give birth (one of the most painful things a woman, or in this case, a GIRL, can go through), at the risk of your own life, would you really choose this because a man thought it would be a nice thing to do for the purpose of "self-denial"? The UN defines forced childbirth (especially for CHILDREN) as a form of torture, and rape/forced impregnation/forced childbirth has often been used to levy violence against women during war. Is this REALLY a world you want to create/live in? I'm genuinely having trouble seeing how this is compassionate. As a woman, that is not a world I want to live in.